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The People Gardener Podcast with Rhonda Delaney
The People Gardener Podcast with Rhonda Delaney
Mastering Your Digital Workspace: Google Drive, Gmail, and Calendar Tips with Adrienne Farrow
This episode focuses on how to effectively leverage Google Workspace tools to enhance organization and productivity. We discuss tips for organizing Google Drive, managing emails in Gmail, and scheduling within Google Calendar to streamline workflows and improve time management.
• Cleaning up Google Drive with archive folders
• Creating a meaningful folder structure based on business needs
• Navigating ownership and implementing shared drives
• Customizing Gmail settings for better email management
• Optimizing Google Calendar for personal and business scheduling
• Integrating Google Tasks for daily reminders and organization
• Utilizing Google Docs for templates and e-signatures
• Continuous improvement of organizational habits for small business owners
Adrienne Farrow - Google Expert
Well, hey there.
Speaker 1:Welcome to the People Gardener podcast. I'm Rhonda Delaney, your host, also known as the People Gardener, thrilled to put this podcast together to help small business owners, new business owners, frustrated business owners and aspiring leaders, whether they're inside business or outside. Each week, we bring you some actionable steps so that you can actually improve your skill as a leader. That's what we're about. We're here to help you become a better leader by giving you access to lots of different perspectives. By giving you access to lots of different perspectives. The guests are varied. We're thrilled to have them.
Speaker 1:Get out your pen, get out your paper and be ready to learn Every single episode. You're going to be able to take something away that you can implement. Are you ready? Let's get to work. Well, hey there. Welcome back to the People Gardener podcast. I'm Rhonda Delaney, your host, also known as the People Gardener, and we are in for episode two of the Google World. Welcome back, adrienne Farrell, happy to have you here and for you to dive into the nitty gritty of a few of the of your Google favorite tools Sounds great, I'm excited.
Speaker 2:I'm going to really look at I think we're going to go with that trifecta the drive, gmail and calendar. Show you a couple features, talk about some of the things that I love to share about those, and then wrap it up with templates, which is one of my other favorite features too. So I'm actually going to share my screen for this one and then, so definitely, if you're not watching the YouTube version, hop on over there, but I will talk through as well with all of that. So, all right, drive. Drive is Google's cloud storage, so this is where all of your files go. So when you automatically start any kind of file within Google so any Google Docs Drive or, excuse me, docs Sheets, slides and Forms it will create something within here. Now, the two things I want to talk about in regards to Drive is that oftentimes, people's Drive just become overwhelmed like a big dumpster fire. There's just it's not organized.
Speaker 1:Mine can get that way, and then every once in a while I behave and I go okay, you know it's time to sort and organize here.
Speaker 2:Definitely, and so one of the things I love to suggest is cleaning up your Google Drive really quickly with an archive folder. So the premise behind that it's kind of like when you're trying to reorganize a room and you take everything in that room and either stuff it in a closet or in another room. You just get it out of the way so you can clean it up, so that you can restructure or reorganize things like that. So to do an archive folder super easy you just create a new folder and you say archive and today's date. So today is the 22nd and then, oh, not 24, but 25. And then you literally take everything that's in your drive and this is my training drive and I just did a demo, so it's not super cluttered, but my training drive can be quite cluttered and you just drag everything Oops, I actually did it into the wrong date. You actually drop everything We'll just drop it into this one, no worries Into that archive folder, so that you only have one thing left in your drive. But the thing about the archive folder is everything that's in this folder is still searchable. You can still grab it whenever you need it. It hasn't disappeared, it hasn't gone everywhere. You've just cleaned things up so that you can start fresh, and then that's going to bring just the sense of digital peace, you know, kind of Zen, not overwhelmed, because when you look at a ton of files and clutter, our mind can just be like I don't know what to do with this, where do I go with this? And everybody's brain works differently, so the kind of folder structure that you'll put together will be very unique to you and your business.
Speaker 2:I talk a lot about it in some of my trainings on YouTube and in my membership of different ways to think about doing that. But you might look at categories of your business, like the buckets of your business, to create files for. You might look at doing it as project-based, so folders based off of each project you're working on or you might look at potentially doing like a combination of that or some of the workflow, like you know, in progress completed kind of thing. So I always say as well don't be afraid to burn it down to build it back up. So if you start a folder system that's not working for you in your brain, don't be afraid to use the archive trick again. Throw everything in the archive, Start with a new folder system until you find something that's actually working for you, that you're going to be able to keep it up. So those are a nutshell of my drive tips and tricks, because it can get cluttered really fast tips and tricks, because it can get cluttered really fast.
Speaker 1:Question on this are you? You use the analogy of getting everything out of the room so that you can create what you want in the room, so we put them into this archive. Are there times where you actually have stuff just left in this archive?
Speaker 2:yes.
Speaker 2:So what I recommend is that when you have your new folders so if we say like I'm just going to do some buckets, so we have social media and then you figure out what you're needing to use right now so maybe finances, you know whatever your projects are and then you can start to move only the important files that you actually need to access into those folders and then leave all the other digital clutter in the archive folder.
Speaker 2:You can still go and get it if you ever find that you need it. But half the time, things that we have in our drive are things that we think we're going to need at a later point, but they're not active right now. They're not something you're going to need at a later point, but they're not active right now. They're not something you're going to need in the moment. So it just you can have that peace of mind that you can go and get it at any time, but it can just kind of live there if needed. So and then the last thing is I say don't create a folder unless you actually need it. So I call them phantom folders, so like if you're going to be I always use TikTok as the example, and now TikTok is one of those like who knows if it's going to be around or not be around.
Speaker 2:But like, if you think you're going to be on TikTok one day but you're not actually on TikTok right now, don't create a TikTok folder until you're actually on TikTok and have assets you need to put in there, like recordings of videos. Don't have just empty folders, thinking oh, one day I'll use that. Only have what you're actively using now and that's going to reduce the amount of digital clutter. So, moving on to another aspect of Drive is shared drives, and this is a business feature. To another aspect of Drive is shared drives, and this is a business feature. So this will only be part of the paid plans and this is designed with businesses in mind.
Speaker 2:In Google, ownership is something to be aware of and not a lot of people think about who owns the files that might be in their Google Drive. Whoever originated the file is the owner of that file. So if I start a Google Doc, I am the owner of that Google Doc. But if I have, like a virtual assistant or someone else and maybe they're on a different Gmail or maybe they're on their own domain system or whatnot, and they start a Google Doc even though they're working for me, I don't have ownership over that Google Doc. So they could choose to leave and close down their business or whatnot, and actually take those assets with them because or make it so that you can't access them because they are the owner of that doc. So Google's workaround on that is to have these shared drives where, as a business owner, you can start a shared drive so I'm going to say this is the People's Gardener shared drive and you then choose who has access to this drive and the files within this drive and you can add people within your own domain or you can add people within Gmail addresses or any other kind of email address. So if I just put my email address here, I can then go to a drop down menu right next to it and I can choose whether this person can only view the files within here. They can then go to a drop down menu right next to it and I can choose whether this person can only view the files within here. They can only comment on them. They can add, edit and share the files. They can add, edit, move, delete and share the content, or they can manage who's within the shared drive.
Speaker 2:So, like for my virtual assistant, I have anything related to my business in a shared drive that she needs access to that. She needs to be able to deal with, and it's our rule that anything she creates goes in here so that it's shared. I have access to it and then I only allow her to add, edit and share the files. I don't allow her to be able to move and delete them, so that I have control over those files and where they go and you can have several shared drives. As far as I know, there isn't a limit on shared drives, so you can have shared drives with your client in order to have a sharing files back and forth with your client.
Speaker 2:When I was creating digital products, I my system was I took a down payment, but the final payment was due when the digital product was completed. That's one of the things I did when I started my virtual assistant career, so I would have everything within a shared drive and I wouldn't allow the client to be able to move things out of the drive until they paid me, and so that was a way that I could kind of control the file sharing there. I love shared drives. They're so useful, but again, that's only a business related. Is there any questions or anything? You were wondering about Drive before I move on to no, I like that whole archiving and the organization.
Speaker 1:I think it's probably everybody's challenge. It's no different than with your Canva account.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Yes, getting things organized in a way that makes sense. Oh, no, I did have a question. It's with regard to search. Yes, okay, what is being searched? When you type in what is being searched, the name of the?
Speaker 2:file only the name of the file yeah, content in the no no, there, as far as I know, that has not got. Now, with ai and I have like I have a workspace so I have a little bit more advanced AI, there will be going, I would guess, more towards that. But you can do an advanced search. So the title, what you're looking for, um, is oh, now they're kind of switching it up. So this is actually. They have been doing a ton of changes in the last two weeks. I swear that every time I go into Google something is different, which is frustrating for me because I have to go re-record a lot of things Exactly. But no, now it looks like we're looking at, potentially, words found in the file now.
Speaker 1:Okay, so you have to go to the advanced feature in order to do that?
Speaker 2:Yes, and, that being said, I'm not going to show it on the screen, but I'm going to just pull it up on my other screen, my Gmail account, and just double check to see if that's a paid feature or if that is a whatchamacallit, a nope. It is paid now, so it is paid now. This screen has looked a lot different since I have pulled it up to look at it. So you can, this will just search just right here in in search and drive. We'll just look at the file name. But you can go more granular and say has the words, you can look and just search for PDFs or just search for documents. So if you have an idea and you're like I know that one Google doc that I need, you can just search for Google Docs and you can also search anywhere.
Speaker 2:It won't search shared drives. So you can see that it's kind of getting granular in here. You can go to more locations and you can start to kind of look here. You might be able to go to a shared drive and select and search within that one particular one, but it's going to not do that automatically and then you can, you know, look at is it being shared to someone? Different things like that, you would have to go to this little advanced search right at the end of the I guess the right end of the search bar to get more granular and that is in the paid version.
Speaker 2:No, in yours too, in free, yeah, okay, there's going to be a couple, yeah, the couple, looking at the two kind of side by side. There's some things like labels, which is relatively new-ish, is not? You can do some labeling in Google drive, which is not quite the same as labeling in Gmail, but you could search here. You can't do that on a free, and then I'm looking just to see if there's anything else, everything else except for labels. It looks like you can do so. Cool, yeah, okay, awesome, no, worries, all right.
Speaker 2:Moving on to Gmail, my number one trick to really find an email management that's going to work for your brain is to go into settings, which is the little cog kind of in the upper right hand corner, and down at towards the bottom is your inbox type. So your default is going to be this. This one is this literally says default, and it's going to Google's going to try and analyze your emails coming in and move them into the primary promotions and then social updates and forums if you want them to be in those, and you can turn these on or off, and generally they do a fairly good job, but you might have to train it a little bit to let it know. Hey, this you know email that came in my primary is actually a promotion, and a promotion generally for the most part is like a newsletter, anything that has like an unsubscribe to it. But if you can drag it up into the promotions and say, yes, do this for future mess, you know messages, so you can start to train it to let it know hey, you know, this is what needs to be in my primary, only things that are like directly to me, and then start to move everything into promotions. That is, you know a newsletter. And then you can also socials, like any social media networks updates tend to be like bills, confirmations, receipts, things like that and forums is any of the mailing you know, discussion boards, some of the mailing lists for the most part. So that's something to play around with.
Speaker 2:But not everyone likes that one. I have a lot of people who like unread first, which will take any of your unread emails, no matter what it is, and put it at the top of your inbox and everything else. All of your red emails will be at the bottom. You can also do it where you have important first. If you mark any emails as important, you can also do starred first. So if you manually star things, it can go first and then priority inbox and multiple inboxes use a combination of the unread, starred and important. You can customize it. It'll go to the settings screen. You can customize it to either it'll priority will automatically do starred, unread, and then you can choose a section and then do everything else, and so you can organize it in that way. So for everything or that empty section you could you know it's going to give you some more options. You can even do some of the labels or things like that that you have there. And then multiple inboxes is going to get really granular and you have to know search queries, so how you can do some advanced search in Gmail.
Speaker 2:But for the most part, I recommend either playing around with the default and seeing if you like that, or going to like an unread first, where you have all your unread emails versus everything else on the bottom. Then we can get into some other features, including when you have emails. Here I also recommend just keeping the emails in your inbox that you need to deal with and then archiving any other emails that don't need to be in your in your inbox. And what archiving is is that if you click on an email, you're either gonna see the word archive right beneath the search bar or you're going to see a symbol like an icon and that you can toggle the icons or the words on and off in Gmail settings. But what Archive does is it literally just removes the inbox label from the email. So anytime a new email comes in, gmail automatically puts on an inbox label which makes sure it's in your inbox for you to see it. But if you don't want it in your inbox, you can essentially remove that label by archiving it and then all of your mail lives in all mail, so you can still search for it, you can still find it, it's all there. It will only be deleted if you actually physically delete it by clicking the delete button. So that's another way of managing your inbox is archiving any of those emails that you just don't need to see on a regular basis.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and then we do get, and then labels knowing that inbox is just a label labels. We can create custom labels for our emails and we can put them on emails as they come in, either manually or automatically. Manually is really easy you just click on email, then you go up to labels and you find whatever label that you want to label it with. In a way, starring it is just a label, so I can star. I often star the emails I need to respond to so that I just go into the starred menu and just see the ones that I need to take care of. So starring it does this same thing it puts it into a starred menu.
Speaker 2:But we can also use filters, which comes in the advanced search option, and this is where we talked about with the email aliases in the advanced search option, and this is where we talked about with the email aliases in the previous episode, where if I get something from support at Adrienne Farrow, I can say create a filter and I can say okay, anytime an email comes in from this email address. This is what I want you to do, gmail. I want you to apply the label, and then I would say you know, adrienne Farrow, I would give it a label. You can do multiple categories. So you could say, well, not only apply the label, but I want you to archive it because I don't need to see it.
Speaker 2:I just want it labeled so I can quickly access it, or I want you to star it, or if you get an email that always seems to go to spam. You can tell it. Never send this one to spam. It always needs to go in there. But that's the more advanced features of Gmail, where you do have to give it some direction and tell it exactly what it's looking for and then what you want it to do with it. So, just in the aspect of time, just knowing that we still have a couple more tools to go into, that's kind of the overview I'm going to give of gmail. Is there any questions or anything that came up for you, ronda, in this?
Speaker 1:no, I mean it's the same as so many things, and I would venture to say that the small business owner that's listening to this is like, oh, but I don't have time to sit there and organize and figure this all out. But the bottom line is, if you want to have your life be organized and as streamlined as possible, you do have to set aside time to set up the automation, set up whatever inside here to make your life better down the road. So that's the only observation I have.
Speaker 2:One of the things I say to my students and other people I work with is that we want to spend more time working on our business, so the things that make us money then in our business, which are all of these little annoying things, and so it can add up. Time can add up looking for an email, time can add up looking for a file. So if you find systems that work for you in your brain, I mean you can find I say you can find a file in your Google Drive in 15 seconds or less or even an email if you know what to search for or you know what the label is or you know where it is. But Gmail tends to be I'd like to say it will always be kind of an ongoing thing that you have to curate and keep up with, because a Gmail, an inbox, can get out of control probably faster than a drive can get out of control. So all right. So calendar is our system for keeping track of events. So events that you schedule or events that other people invite you to will show up on your calendar. When we create an event it's going to ask you for a lot of just your basic information the title, the date time. If you're going to add any guests, you can add Google Meet or you can add on excuse me, you can add a Zoom add-on. So it's kind of like an extension for Calendar to actually add a Zoom meeting so it can auto-generate Zoom links for you from within Google Calendar, which is awesome, nice, yeah. So it's really nice to do that, because whenever I create a meeting, all I just do is click zoom meeting. It's probably it's not going to do it because I'm not logged in, but it would. It would. It would spit out a link right there. But if I did Google meet, it'll do the same thing. It'll. It'll just, you know, create a link for me automatically. So I don't have to go into zoom or go into Google Meet and find a link or things like that.
Speaker 2:I am a big advocate for one. I call it one calendar to rule them all. Basically, having one calendar on that you keep everything on personal and business. And the main reason I say that is because if you're using something like Calendly or an appointment scheduler, you want it to read any of the holes that you have in your schedule and if it can't see that you have a dentist appointment, it's going to double book you for at the same time as that dentist appointment. So that's where you can start to color code. And you can color code on a free account, but you can also color code on a paid account, and on a paid account you can actually give each color a label. So you don't have to remember that purple means personal or yellow means work. You can just, you know, I can see, okay, this is a personal event, and then it will make that purple. And so I find it super helpful, because then you get a glance of your week and I know in my brain, because I set those colors to be triggering for myself, if I see yellow, that's work related, if I see purple, that's, you know, personal, if I see red, it's appointments. And then I get a sense of what my week looks like just from having those color coded. So that's really awesome. And then, if you want to take it even a step further, in Google Calendar you can get some insights on how much time you're actually spending in each of those colors. This is on the paid plan, but it will break down for you how many hours you're spending on each of your different colors and then it also show you how much time are you spending in meetings and it calculates that based off of if you have a Zoom link attached or if you know guests and you know how many, how much time are you spending one-on-one or three plus people or things like that. So that's kind of cool.
Speaker 2:Jumping in really fast into the appointment scheduler, this, these little bars, are what the appointment scheduler looks like on your Google calendar. So this is showing that there it's like on the left-hand side of your day. This is showing that there is an appointment scheduler active for that block of time and so if I click on it, it will show that from you know what is this? Nine to five. This appointment scheduler is looking for 45-minute appointments and then I can go and click on open booking page and this is I'm actually going to do this one. This is what other people see.
Speaker 2:So it's very similar to Calendly. It looks. It's a little bit light, meaning it's not, as I think Calendly looks a little prettier, to be completely honest, but this is functional and it's going to read your calendars and say, okay, so, for example, something I put in here around 10 o'clock, let's look and see. So right here I put in this random work call with XYZ. It's recognizing there's something from 10 to 1045.
Speaker 2:So on this booking calendar there is no availability. Well, maybe it's not, let's see here I'm on the 22nd, I would be looking at the 23rd. I guess it's for this coaching session. I'm trying to see where it's reading. But anyways, let's look here at the end, here for pick up children from school. If I open up that booking page it's going to see okay, there's no availability here. My next availability is Tuesday, the 28th, for whatever reason. So it's going to read those calendars for you. And then how you set up an appointment scheduler is you just go up here to create and then you go to appointment schedule and it'll start walking you through how to set up your time frame, your scheduling window, adding that buffer time that you might need, how many of the maximum bookings per day?
Speaker 1:So very similar to Calendly. It's definitely who came first, google Calendar or Calendly, because I mean it looks very, very similar.
Speaker 2:And actually Calendly came first. This is a new feature as of like mid last year, so it is definitely Google's. Google had something called appointment slots before, which wasn't as in, it didn't have like a really good booking page and it wasn't super like intuitive. But this is definitely one of their ways of trying to be more competitive with its competitors like Calendly.
Speaker 1:Well, the the advantage to this just this is the first time I've seen this compared to Calendly is that your life can be in here, because one of my frustrations is having to go in and block off time, because I know, like perfect, perfect example, we have a our the coach that we're both working with on the 4th, 5th and 6th of February. We basically have all all day conference and so I have to go in and I have to block off those times so that nobody can get scheduled with me, whereas this, I mean, it's all, it's a one-stop shop A hundred percent Like cause.
Speaker 2:What I could do right here, for example, is I could go up here to this would be where you would put an all day event so it's really at the top of there and I would just say you know, I'm just going to say coaching event and it would. I would make sure that I'm listed as busy because otherwise it says free. Most of the time the all day events are used for just like letting you know something happening that day. But I want to make sure that I'm marked as busy. And then if I go to that appointment scheduler for the 4th and I go to the 4th yeah, oh, I went too far ahead. Here's the 4th, it's blocked me off for that whole entire day.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so there's nothing. There's nothing going to be able to be put there. And if you have multiple calendars so that would be the middle paid plan and above you can have multiple Google appointment scheduling so you can have one booking page. That would give you all of your different options here. So you can have this. You can actually embed it into your website and you can have it either be all of them, just like you see here, or just a single booking page and you can put it as a button where it will pop up your schedule, or you can actually embed it directly within your website. So it is giving you that option to have it in multiple places.
Speaker 2:Then the last thing I was any questions or were you going to say something? Sorry, I should have said slick, yeah. The last thing is that it integrates with tasks. So tasks is a to-do list within Google calendar and I absolutely love it, and there's a mobile app for it as well. It's a light to-do list, so you can add a task, you can give it a title. So I'm just going to say I'm going to say record podcast and then you can give it additional details if you want, but if you give it a date and a time, so if I say we'll just say tomorrow, the 23rd, at 1 pm, it's going to put that onto your Google Calendar.
Speaker 2:So, you're going to see those tasks on your Google Calendar. So if I go back to today, the 23rd, here, it is right here record podcast it's its own separate calendar, so I can turn the calendar on or off if I wanted to, and I can also choose a different color, since it's you know the same right there, and then that little check box next to it is going to show that it's you know the same right there, and then that little check box next to it is going to show that it's a task and I can just click on that task and I can actually mark it completed directly from within Google Calendar. So it's a great way of keeping on top of those little to do things that you need to do, but able to see it directly within your calendar.
Speaker 1:So I love.
Speaker 2:Google Tasks. Yeah, yeah, all right. Anything on calendar to wrap it up?
Speaker 1:Nope.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm liking the integration.
Speaker 2:Awesome, awesome. All right, do we have time to dive in quickly to Google Docs? Yeah, we got some time.
Speaker 1:All right, let's do five minutes.
Speaker 2:Perfect, let's do it, okay. So one of the things reason I wanted to show Google docs is well, two things is the e-signature function, but also it's a great way to show templates, and Google is going to give you automatically some templates up here at the top, but you, using one of the paid plans, can actually turn any document into a template. So if there's something that you use over and over and over again excuse me so, for example, my video script and description that I use for my YouTube channel I wrote that document one time and then I turned that into a template. So anytime that I need to use that document, I just go up here to the template gallery. If I don't see it here, I can click on template gallery and the whole thing will pop up. But then I just click on whatever it is. So I'm going to click on where did it go? I just saw it video script and description. I'm going to click on that and then it's going to make a copy of that for me, and that saves so much time because I don't have to go in and make a copy or rewrite it or do anything else like that. I can create one structure and I can set it as a template and then I can redo it or I can do it over and over again and what that template is actually going to do is it's going to go for anybody in your domain that template is actually going to do. Is it's going to go for anybody in your domain? So if you have a paid plan, all of my users in adrianferrocom will be able to see any of these templates. So it's also a really great way to make sure your VA is using the correct thing. Just really a big time saver. Consistency across your A hundred percent. You can do the same for slides and you can do the same for sheets and the same for forms. So if you create one form, you can create a template of it and just keep you know, reusing it over and over again.
Speaker 2:The contract feature, the e-signature feature, looks like this it is a light version of what you'll find for a lot of contracts, but totally functional. And if you have something written out that you need a signature or initials or anything for, you go to insert and then e-signature fields and then it will give you fillable fields that you just drag to wherever you need to put it in onto the document. You just you determine how many signers you have. So right now this is for two signers. I can manage signers and I can add up to 10 people to sign the same document and you can even you know put it as their name and it will write it.
Speaker 2:It will determine it, so it's assigned to that person, and then when I request an e-signature using the blue button on the bottom, I put in whatever that person's email is, and then both parties will receive an email with a PDF of the Google Doc and will be prompted to do a digital signature, and both parties will see the progress. So when each party has signed, they will get an email saying that you know which party has signed and then, when everybody has completed everything, they both get a PDF of the document and the last page of the PDF is an audit trail, so it'll show exactly who signed it at what time, and that is what makes it a legally binding signature. Is that audit trail person a part of it? So you can do you can ditch DocuSign and do e-signatures, which is really cool, brilliant. So brilliant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I have so much more to share, but I just know we're running out of time.
Speaker 1:So those of you that much more to share, but I just know we're running out of time. Those of you that are listening to this, I'm going to make sure that the YouTube link is in the show notes, because you definitely want to go over to YouTube and watch so that you can really take in the diversity of the Google Workspace system. And we'll put in Adrienne's links because I know that she's got some discount codes and things that she'll be able to work with you on if you want to move over into this direction. But this has been wonderful. I love having things explained. I'm an auditory visual learner, so for me I'm definitely the YouTube person, not necessarily the podcast, although I have a podcast and I listen to podcasts.
Speaker 2:That's why I have a YouTube channel versus a podcast is because what I do you have to see it Absolutely Makes total sense.
Speaker 1:So thank you so much for sharing, and we'll have to get together and figure out. Okay, so we probably need an episode three, but we'll figure that out somewhere down, perfect I'm happy to come back and re-record.
Speaker 1:Let's do it okay, that's it, folks, for this week. We'll talk to you again next week. Well, thanks for joining me today. Just a quick reminder if you are not on my email list, go to my website, rondadelaneycom, and there's a place there that you can subscribe. Keep you up to date on all things people, gardening and leadership. Thanks again for listening and we'll see you again next week.